Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

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  • Phillipe
    Phillipe Vor 4 Monate +4612

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • Riley Guy
      Riley Guy Vor 17 Stunden

      Oculus' headsets also have NO upgrade path which doesn't make them a cost-effective option in the long-run.

    • Trentan Bewley
      Trentan Bewley Vor Tag

      @tiggerbiggo Really? That sucks. I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna save up a grand and get the index. Fuck it

    • tiggerbiggo
      tiggerbiggo Vor Tag +1

      It's not a good headset at all. Not worth shit.

    • Trentan Bewley
      Trentan Bewley Vor Tag

      @Ivium okay well thank you, I'll definitely take that into consideration 👍

    • Ivium
      Ivium Vor Tag +1

      Trentan Bewley Index has all those old fashion wires... just like the Rift :/ True vr experience should be wireless that’s why the Quest is the best option ;)
      The Rift only has a few more pixels, it doesn’t really make it better

  • Derek Page
    Derek Page Vor 2 Stunden

    Linus: "This is really going to open up a lot of possibilities..."
    Everyone watching: (yep, giving other people the middle finger in VR)
    Linus: You read my mind

  • t8mer
    t8mer Vor 9 Stunden

    11:59 that's what he said...

  • VietDragon
    VietDragon Vor 9 Stunden

    on amazon they sell alot LOL

  • iGamingKing
    iGamingKing Vor 11 Stunden +1

    Play Boneworls Vr with the Index.

  • MegamanXGold
    MegamanXGold Vor 11 Stunden

    "at that kind of resolution and refresh rate, you weren't going to be driving it without something that has DisplayPort on it anyway".
    My laptop is a more powerful gaming PC (GTX1070, i7-8750H, 16GB RAM, NVMe) than my Desktop PC (GTX970, i7-4770K, 8GB RAM, SATA SSD). My laptop only has HDMI 2.0. :'(

  • VietDragon
    VietDragon Vor 11 Stunden

    at long every VR game work under 1440HZ and work with GTX 1070 videocrd should be good some game dont work because they made for RTX video that why it suck and also not work with all headset
    that why people dont wana buy anymore VR HeadSet because they cost soo much but not work with all VR game Because they not for GTX 1070 only for RTX 2080 that why it suck VR will die again you will see no software update for it then it over

  • Steven Bowser
    Steven Bowser Vor 17 Stunden

    You thought VR was "dead"? What?

  • Uglyprincw
    Uglyprincw Vor 21 Stunde

    17:39 i cannot believe you can actually do this in front of your son, and still have erections at any point in time within the rest of your room-temp IQ life.

  • Mattstar F
    Mattstar F Vor Tag

    Good video... I hated the cutey cat hugging bit... made me want to puke like I was wearing a 30hz VR headset!

  • Caleb Hajek
    Caleb Hajek Vor Tag


  • Prakasa Adnan
    Prakasa Adnan Vor Tag

    If they have heptic feedback. Imagine when you touching boobs.

  • Tech And Taffy
    Tech And Taffy Vor Tag



    Me watching: yeah I can’t afford that

  • ukr4ever
    ukr4ever Vor Tag

    And I was hoping you'll say its $hit! Now I have to get it lol

  • Veathen
    Veathen Vor Tag

    See i was planning to buy one in December but that plan was demolished quickly when i looked at the valve index page and saw "Due to recent high demand, this item will ship in January 2020"

  • Miguel Ramirez
    Miguel Ramirez Vor Tag

    Shadow !!!

  • Joey Lee
    Joey Lee Vor Tag

    3:33 *AWWW* does it come with this cute little cat?

  • EasyPixy
    EasyPixy Vor Tag

    I cant believe a tech genius like person was retared enough to think vr was dead...

  • Zastock
    Zastock Vor Tag

    Oh Linus... Im sure there are games for that now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • JJ Rhodes
    JJ Rhodes Vor 2 Tage

    more of a strap on experience

  • Trentan Bewley
    Trentan Bewley Vor 2 Tage +1

    At the beginning of the video you said this was the first time you unboxed it, but in the middle of the video you said your five year old daughter couldn't play with that headset until you put the memory foam padding in? Caught red-handed

  • Dremico's ART
    Dremico's ART Vor 2 Tage

    3:33 lol cat

  • m Minde
    m Minde Vor 2 Tage

    Using 980ti.. as your gpu... does not let you feel full immersion of Valve Index.. Linus...

  • PixelPhobiac
    PixelPhobiac Vor 2 Tage

    🙀 4:40

  • Paul Schulze
    Paul Schulze Vor 2 Tage

    Shooting a zombie in the head with blood spreading everywhere -> no problem
    Showing a virtual middle finger -> needs to be censored
    This world is so crazy

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      DEplus algorithm determines this stuff. Kids watch the videos and sometimes the conflicting content will allow the video to be seen by the younger crowd.

  • Stampli
    Stampli Vor 2 Tage +1

    Linus should try boneworks with this

  • Ivium
    Ivium Vor 3 Tage +1

    Don't make the mistake to buy a Rift S instead of a Quest you will regret it

    • Ivium
      Ivium Vor Tag +1

      @EVOLICIOUS The point is: Quest is future-oriented while Rift S will be obsolete soon.

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      Rift S is far better than the Quest, fyi. Quest has to heavily compress the streamed data over usb3, so the image looks pretty bad. If oyu have a gaming PC and want to play VR, get a PC-VR kit. Quest is best on it's own of a gameboy-like device.

  • Fatal
    Fatal Vor 3 Tage

    This requires a PC? Well then, Oculus Quest for $400 here I come.

    • Michael Johnson
      Michael Johnson Vor Tag

      I just bought the quest and i have absolutely loved it as a stand alone all in one wireless experience. Just today i had 7 different adults ranging from age 26-47 play it and they were all blown away. They played it until the battery died 4 times today alone. It's a damn good investment with the best stand alone app store.

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      Better to get a Rift S if you plan on playing PC-VR games

  • BigTyme420
    BigTyme420 Vor 3 Tage

    "If I Fitz, I Sitz"

  • Max Stovall
    Max Stovall Vor 3 Tage

    Test out boneworks, the game takes huge advantage of the valve index and has a crazy engine

  • Dick Kickem
    Dick Kickem Vor 3 Tage


  • Wacky Parsons
    Wacky Parsons Vor 4 Tage

    age of empires 2 vr

  • User
    User Vor 4 Tage

    Not wireless, booo 👎

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      Valve will have a wireless adapter coming out for Index next year.
      FYI, not everyone can use 60ghz. It requires a top-shelf CPU to run due to the bandwidth and ultra-low latency it needs. It's also an expensive technology. The Vive 60ghz wireless adapter is $300.

  • Zyon
    Zyon Vor 4 Tage +3

    10:07 "a lot of fascinating possibilities".... Me: *MIddle finger*

  • Marceleyyy
    Marceleyyy Vor 4 Tage

    "honestly its a bit of a mix feeling comfort wise" there are literally huge foam bumbers strapped onto every part of the plastic what more comfort do you want

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      The Index is heavy, but the weight is distributed very well. I agree, I would also want it to be lighter, but with the tech it has, it's not easy to do, and make it affordable in the end. For now, it's the most comfortable HMD money can buy and it's hard to believe anyone would have an issue with comfort over countless hours.

  • WadelDee
    WadelDee Vor 4 Tage

    Is it really necessary to censor every single instance of 🖕?

  • Firestar 3x
    Firestar 3x Vor 4 Tage

    You can pair both the meat handle and index controllers in the same setup.

  • milo20060
    milo20060 Vor 4 Tage

    Will probably get when I make my new pc next year summer or something.

    Worked and saved a bit for big upgrade :)

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      Better hurry, Boneworks comes out tomorrow!

  • Super Intendent Chalmers

    Too bad it wasn't dead. This is just too far in video games taken to a absurd level. People look like fucking idiots in those things and it is brimgimg people deep into isolation.

  • Edgarv68
    Edgarv68 Vor 4 Tage

    il wait 5 more years.

  • Gameboy
    Gameboy Vor 4 Tage

    How to determine whether or not something is dead: the linus test

  • WaaDoku 【和ァ独】

    I'm getting the Index right now! It comes with a free cat!!! This is awesome!

  • Benjamin Arvizu
    Benjamin Arvizu Vor 5 Tage

    its comes with a kitty!

  • American Fry
    American Fry Vor 5 Tage

    The durability on both the headset and knuckles controls are garbage 1 month of daily play and it is falling apart completely even my old regular rift works better

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      lol, you are lying. Oculus build quality is nothing like the Valve Index build quality. I own several kits, Index is, by far, the best built kit and of the highest quality.

  • Kevtendo
    Kevtendo Vor 5 Tage

    vr's still in it's infancy state and there are barely any games that actually attempt to make use of vr's potential
    (boneworks, township tale, blade and sorcery are your best choices)
    so in a sense, spending 1k on a headset right now is a waste
    when it'll take years before vr really starts to take off
    and if you'd wait until then these should most have dropped in price
    or more improved versions of the headsets are released.
    (sure you can still use these headsets, but not many games make use of the valve anyways.)

    it's more of a "spend 1k just to be able to flip people off"
    so i'd just wait untill the price lowers at least

    • Kevtendo
      Kevtendo Vor 2 Tage

      @EVOLICIOUS I got my Oculus rift for $350 too. Pretty nice.

      EVOLICIOUS Vor 2 Tage

      For anyone who has never tried VR and only knows what they heard in the news 3 years or so ago when the Vive and the Rift were released and are hesitant/angry about this being a VR-only title, here's what you need to know:

      1) You don't need a $1000 headset and $4000 PC. The Samsung HMD Odyssey+ is a very good Windows Mixed Reality headset (it has the same resolution screens as the Vive Pro) and only costs $229.00. You can go even lower with $184.91 for HP's Mixed Reality Headset. These headsets are fully SteamVR-ready. For PC hardware, thanks to recent software tricks, you don't need a top-end gaming PC. Valve recommends a GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum for HL:A, which are both mid-range GPUs that go for around $170-$200. Even lower if you buy a second hand one. If you flat-out don't own a gaming PC at all, you can find guides for a $500 VR build on DEplus.

      2) Motion sickness isn't the huge issue you've heard it is from internet comedians. Modern VR headsets have been designed and extensively tested to ensure the hardware itself isn't the cause of any motion sickness. Not to say it's impossible, you might be extra-sensitive to motion sickness (though if that's the case, FPS games likely are also a problem for you) and you need to ensure you've got the headset setup correctly (i.e you're able to run the game at the minimum FPS and you have the IPD set correctly for your eyes). Beyond that, it's down to software, the developers need to make sure their camera system isn't weird and new players should avoid any artificial locomotion movement systems until they have adjusted.

      3) There's more movement options in VR than just teleporting. This is a popular option since it's more friendly towards new VR users, but many games also feature traditional WASD movement as an option for advanced players.

      4) They can't just "flick a switch" to make the game playable in non-VR. The big issue is that the game has been designed for use with what's essentially three input methods being used at the same time (your head, left hand and right hand). Further complicating things is the fact that the position and orientation in 3D space of these three input methods, as well as which fingers on what hand are in what position are also taken into consideration. This is straight-up impossible to replicate with a keyboard and mouse, assuming you don't want the game to play like Surgeon Simulator. In order to make a non-VR version, they would need to create hundreds of new canned animations to replicate some of the things the player can do in the VR version, not to mention programming new scripts for all these actions. This would be very time-consuming and would result in something that's very clunky to play. It would be better to just strip all this out of the game, but this would then require large parts of the game to be re-designed.

      Very important to add that you can cure motion sickness in 2-3 weeks by taking baby steps with artificial locomotion and irl movement in VR. Caring to avoid your subconscious associating nausea with VR. Takes patience for acclimation.
      Also important to add that VR doesn't require tons of space and that standing in one place can get you a great VR experience, but more room = more fun!
      Everyone seems to think they need to spend $1000+ on one game. So here are my system sellers: Boneworks, Asgard's wrath, Stormland, Vertigo 2, Lone Echo 2, Vader Immortal, Trover Saves the Universe, Vox Machinea, Windlands 2, Robo Recall, H3VR (hotdogs, horseshoes and hand grenades), Blade & Sorcery, Cosmic Trip, Espire 1, Arizona Sunshine, MMORPG OrbisVR, Space Junkies, Gorn, Fujii, Holoception, VTOL VR, Rec Room, Tilt Brush, SuperHot VR, Virtual Virtual Reality, Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, Onward, Pavlov, Contractors vr, Zero Caliber, Compound vr, google earth vr, virtual desktop, skyrimvr, NMSVR, so many amazing VR games and that is just off the top of my head.

  • Empu Emppu
    Empu Emppu Vor 5 Tage

    I usually don't like videos, but your cats man, i just had to!

  • a rice
    a rice Vor 5 Tage

    I don't think I'd like a more of a strap-on experience but that's just me

  • PaPiRiCoSuAvE
    PaPiRiCoSuAvE Vor 5 Tage

    valve gives you a free CAT with every valve index???? that is awesome ^ ^

  • Best69 Hfh
    Best69 Hfh Vor 5 Tage

    So we not finna talk about the cat

  • Pranav Joshi
    Pranav Joshi Vor 5 Tage


  • Cvrlos Padilla
    Cvrlos Padilla Vor 6 Tage +1

    I'm just so ready for the Nerve Gear!

  • Chay Warburton
    Chay Warburton Vor 6 Tage +1

    "I do wish it was more of a 'strap on' experience". - Linus, Christmas 2019

    • Chay Warburton
      Chay Warburton Vor 4 Tage

      @Joseph .M 101 eh, not to worried about it. If you dont like it, dont read it xD

    • Joseph .M 101
      Joseph .M 101 Vor 4 Tage

      This video was shot and uploaded in August. Not December.

  • Dragunovski
    Dragunovski Vor 6 Tage

    You have to try boneworks on december 10

  • Bongie361
    Bongie361 Vor 6 Tage +3

    3:33 I didn’t know the index came with a cat?

  • Dur Duh
    Dur Duh Vor 6 Tage

    You wish it was more of a strap on experience? Ok

  • Jason Zherdev
    Jason Zherdev Vor 6 Tage

    vive index

  • Mr. Walker
    Mr. Walker Vor 6 Tage

    Someone kill the camera man

  • 5./StG1 - DLMalloy
    5./StG1 - DLMalloy Vor 6 Tage +1

    At 3:32 does it come with the cat or is that a separate deal?

  • Almantas Kandrotas
    Almantas Kandrotas Vor 6 Tage +1

    Man if it was like 200$ less I’d pick it up instantly I just don’t have the $$ to drop on it